New Treo before Christmas [Archive]

JohnLar

08/04/2005, 06:56 PM

Palm has recently been much more vigilent about secrecy. It used to be that details about products would leak long before the actual announcement, but new products like the LifeDrive were kept under wraps successfully. As a result, we can't rely on leaks to predict when the next Treo will come out.

The best way to predict launch dates is to look at Palm's history:
--- The Treo 300 was released around Sept 2002
--- The Treo 600 was released around June 2003
--- The Treo 650 was released around Aug 2004

This indicates that Palm is due for another release... very soon.

I'm expecting something in the next few months, and certainly before Christmas...

Perry Holden

08/04/2005, 11:17 PM

donric609

08/04/2005, 11:50 PM

There has been much discussion on this in other threads dedicated to the topic. The latest was that it just may well miss the historical Christmas buying season release for a Q1-2006 release due to Sprint (Nextel) trying to get Touch To Talk on the next release.

Gosh, I hope not.

Cheers, Perry.

i hope that the next treo will have the sprint/nextel ptt.. it was easy for me to put down the nextel i860 for the treo 650 but i do miss the ptt.. :(

gharrod

08/05/2005, 12:14 AM

Orange UK supposedly has the new Treo with Windows Mobile loaded on it for testing. I also heard Sprint PTT is not very good. Anyone have opportunity to use itwith any of the Sprint phones?

Perry Holden

08/05/2005, 12:15 AM

i hope that the next treo will have the sprint/nextel ptt.. it was easy for me to put down the nextel i860 for the treo 650 but i do miss the ptt.. :(

Does ptt require a seperate radio or does such a device use just one cell radio? If it does require a separate radio: I really do not want 4 radios in the same case! (Cell, Bluetooth, WiFi and ptt, if it needs one.)

All I want is a 650 with EV-DO, 64mb internal memory and an SD slot that will handle a 4gb card. Please do not gum up the works, Palm! (Unless you can get it all in there with no conflicts.)

Cheers, Perry.

cruelpupet

08/05/2005, 12:25 AM

they might wait to get PTT on the new treo, but i doubt it will be nextels version. As far as I know Nextel has proprietary radios (ie. not CDMA or GSM) I hate HATE HATE nextels and their annoying bloops, bleeps, and ability to disrupt other electronics (speakers mostly) from 10' away, so I never learned much about their network.

I didnt do the 600 --> 650 upgrade, so really all they have to do is increase the memory to 128, and make the phone respond as quickly as the 600 did (Ive read the response time on the 650 was slow) for me to buy it. I dont need Wifi and I prefer a wired headset.

Wifi as an optional addon card would be nice though, but then I would want 2 SD slots, or some memory integrated to that card.

t2gungho

08/05/2005, 12:26 AM

That would be nice Perry. I just hope the 'design' is similar to the 650.

djfusion

08/05/2005, 12:34 AM

Just so you know, Nextel uses radios (and a network called iDEN.) Now to be on topic, I really hope Palm gets out a new Treo before the winter holiday season (can't forget us Jews!) They sure could use the revenue, even if it's just the Sprint model.

ericshmerick

08/05/2005, 02:26 AM

Christmas? You sure?

Click (http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=763076&postcount=90)

What about this? Sure throws a monkey wrench into things...Verizon? The last-adopters with a cutting edge phone? Strange...

Hmm (http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=695201)

lappari

08/05/2005, 05:34 AM

I just want a phone like Treo 650 with 128 Ram and integraded WiFI... it´s the only this I miss from my beloved Tungsten C

treoneo

08/05/2005, 05:38 AM

The Treo 650 came out in November! Where do you get August?

cooneyca

08/05/2005, 06:15 AM

While it is true that we've had a new Treo around Christmas since the 300, the 650 was the first to be released by Palm. Even the 600 started out as a Hanspring release - with their very nice upgrade policy.

n4cer

08/06/2005, 02:10 PM

From everything that I have read about this so called Treo 670 so far, I haven't found to much that is really different other than the possibility of WB and possibly a cobalt version as well. No mention of Wifi that I have seen. Can anyone tell me what the alledged specs are on this thing? Since they are making decent sized sd cards, the onboard memory upgrade isn't absolutley necessary for me. It would take Wifi to pry my hands off of my 650. Push to talk definitely would be an added bonus, as I originally gave up my nextel (which all of my friends have) to go with the Treo 600.....thus losing the ability to bump them easily.

Thanks,
-Happy Treo 650 owner

oahu

08/09/2005, 01:55 AM

I heard something like October 27th of this year!!

donric609

08/09/2005, 03:45 AM

I heard something like October 27th of this year!!

that's crazy.. :confused: ..

FunkyTang

08/10/2005, 11:29 AM

Why do you Treo-Date-Dudes always omit the Treo 90 and Treo 270 from your date prediction posts? Not every Treo was announced for sale in the fourth quarter.

Permanent4

08/10/2005, 01:07 PM

I've read more than one report stating that the next Treo wouldn't hit the market until 2006. So I'm not holding my breath for any announcements.

Besides, I'm with Verizon Wireless, which has released new Treos around June for the last two years. So I don't think they'll be rushing any next-gen Treo to market in Q1.

Just my two cents...

-Dave

ink883

08/10/2005, 02:23 PM

What advantage does PTT have over paying the extra $5 for unlimited PCS2PCS calling?

bigredgpk

08/10/2005, 02:39 PM

Why do you Treo-Date-Dudes always omit the Treo 90 and Treo 270 from your date prediction posts? Not every Treo was announced for sale in the fourth quarter.
Or how about the 180? Go Monocrome displays!

hehe

Timmay

zelgo

08/10/2005, 04:08 PM

Traditionally, how much has Palm charged to upgrade to the next version of the Treo? Does it expect all of us to pay the full price?

acampa01

08/10/2005, 04:19 PM

What advantage does PTT have over paying the extra $5 for unlimited PCS2PCS calling?

PCS2PCS doesnt annoy the hell out of everyone around you. I think that every person in america should be issued a taser, and everytime someone hears that bloop beep sound and has to endure Jethro yelling into his phone, and Bubba yelling back out of the phone, that Jethro should get a minimum of 6 tases instantly.

bigredgpk

08/10/2005, 04:55 PM

Full Price unless you are a developer or you get a discount from your carrier.

Timmay

dstrauss

08/10/2005, 05:57 PM

PCS2PCS doesnt annoy the hell out of everyone around you. I think that every person in america should be issued a taser, and everytime someone hears that bloop beep sound and has to endure Jethro yelling into his phone, and Bubba yelling back out of the phone, that Jethro should get a minimum of 6 tases instantly.

AMEN (as long as you add the idiots walking up and down the airport hallways talking as loudly as they can about their earth shattering business deals which I'm sure are "highly confidential!" :mad:

DrDoom

08/20/2005, 09:03 PM

AMEN (as long as you add the idiots walking up and down the airport hallways talking as loudly as they can about their earth shattering business deals which I'm sure are "highly confidential!" :mad:

I've got one even better. My buddy and I eat at a local Hooter's every three weeks or so (San Jose Blvd!!!) and everytime we're sitting out on the deck there are these young college kids sitting in groups, no big deal there. But as sure as Christ was Jewish they inevitably start PTT'ing a group on the other side of the patio! It's the most annoying thing ever. :mad: I hope the first thing Sprint does is change that damn "beep beep" noise to a sexy female voice that says "Hey douch-bag redneck! Your git-er-dun buddy wants to talk about something cool like how he felt up his cousin last night!".

That'd shut those bastards up. :evil:

CmdrGuard

08/21/2005, 12:30 AM

Whooey Dr Doom!!! Why, if you were my cousin, I'd marry you!

Seriously though, excellent idea with the sexy female voice. A solution like that needs to be executed and fast... I'm in gainesville for crying out loud!!! (Ahhh).

treo1

08/21/2005, 01:12 AM

Treo 300, was August 2002
600-October 2003
650- November 2004

u_m_rasmussen

08/21/2005, 12:40 PM

The Treo 670 seems to be just about ready for release. It will be before Christmas for sure.

However, regarding the Treo 700, the one next Treo with a Palm OS, does indeed seem to be some ways off. This model for sure will not be released before 2006, maybe not before Q2 or Q3 2006.

Advance The Man

08/21/2005, 11:32 PM

Les Anderson

09/06/2005, 09:47 PM

Treo 300, was August 2002
600-October 2003
650- November 2004

Thank you

-rob

MikeRadio

09/07/2005, 01:03 AM

I used to have nextel a loing time ago.

There is actually a small italian restaurant here that has signs all over the place NO NEXTEL PHONES. obviously because of the PTT annoyance.

However, you may not know, but keeping the "Speaker" on is NOT required.. but everyone doe sit anyway. You can also be "alerted" once and then send the conversation to the handset (still PTT but not outloud).

However, nobody does this :(

Kupe

09/07/2005, 08:00 AM

PTT is too often the ultimate "look at me" device for way too many folks.

MadlyAlive

09/07/2005, 09:42 AM

AMEN (as long as you add the idiots walking up and down the airport hallways talking as loudly as they can about their earth shattering business deals which I'm sure are "highly confidential!" :mad:

85% of the world still think talking on a cell phone is like talking into a Campbell's soup can with a string. Everyone I see on a cell phone in public is always speaking above a normal conversational tone. It's not just PTT users...

hub

09/07/2005, 10:32 AM

Don't know about the 300, but the 600 was in October/November 2003 and the 650 in December 2004.

This next one will be prior to xmas.

I am not sure why the exact month is so important, but I got my 650 the day before Thanksgiving - and although I was one of the first, I was not the first.

dstrauss

09/07/2005, 10:42 AM

I don't know about this whole "before Christmas thing." Palm, like RIM and most of the PPC phones keep trying harder and harder to crack the enterprise market, so beating the Christmas rush just isn't too important anymore. Besides, if that is what you were shooting for, you'd have to be ready to ship in quantity BEFORE the Friday after Thanksgiving. Can't see that with so little REAL information out there about the 670.

MadlyAlive:

I agree - it's not just PTT users - in particular, its the "tie & suspenders" hot shots who talk the loudest on their cell phones. Not sure whether its a sense of self-importance, or just a sophisticated version of sharing insider information with the Martha Stewart's of the world. :D

Kupe

09/07/2005, 10:43 AM

Treo 650 release date: 25 October 2005 according to this link. (http://news.com.com/PalmOne+unveils+latest+Treo/2100-1041_3-5423326.html?tag=nl)

DHart

09/07/2005, 10:50 AM

Just trying to fan the flames....take anything an analyst says with a grain of salt. He is probably reading TreoCentral.

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Palm Rallies As Analyst Upgrades On Strong Treo Sales

LOS ANGELES (Dow Jones) -- Palm Inc.'s stock rallied Tuesday, after a Needham & Co. analyst said sales of the company's Treo smartphones appear to be outpacing previous expectations, prompting him to upgrade the shares. In recent trading, shares of Sunnyvale, Calif.-based Palm (PALM) climbed $1.72, or 5.3%, to $34.09 on volume of 1.7 million. The stock has ranged from $20.75 to $46.65 over the last 52 weeks and had an average volume of 1.1 million over the last 10 trading sessions. Needham analyst Charles Wolf upgraded his stance on Palm's stock to buy from hold, setting a $40 price target, after checks showed strong demand for the Treo device.

"The growth of Treo sales is part of the rapid migration of organizer and mobile phone users to feature rich phones," Wolf said in a note to clients. To be sure, the analyst pointed out that the company's backlog of firm orders for its signature smartphone stood at $214 million at the end of its last fiscal year to May. That equates to around 450,000 units, he said. Industry data also show a sharp rise in shipments of smartphones.

And while company management has remained quiet on the possible introduction of a Treo device using Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Windows Mobile operating system, speculation has sprouted it soon may launch just such a device. Wolf expects the company could launch a Treo running Windows Mobile by the first quarter of calendar 2006 or sooner, he said.

"This version of the Treo could materially expand Treo sales into the enterprise because of the popularity of the Windows operating system in this market," he asserted.

Meanwhile, the launch of a Treo model aimed at mainstream customers - something that "could propel a hockey-stick increase in Treo sales" - continues to remain elusive," the analyst commented. "In view of the volume upside such a phone could provide, it's likely that Palm is working on such a device," he offered.

(END) Dow Jones Newswires

quake97

09/07/2005, 11:21 AM

I don't think we'll be seeing a new Treo this year. Based on past experience, we would have already seen the device by now leaked on the rumor sites. I don't think the Treo 670 pics are real. My guess is early 2006. The comments about Sprint wanting to get Nextel's DC on the Treo wouldn't surprise me.

All I want to see in the new Treo is EV-DO. I could care less about other stuff. Everything else is perfect from my perspective.

Joe

heberman

09/07/2005, 12:02 PM

My prediction: a Palm-based Treo is released by Sprint in February, 2006. A Windows Mobile version shortly thereafter.

meir602

09/07/2005, 02:35 PM

Just Another Theory:

Sprint took a lot of heat when the 650 came out 13 months after the 600. Upgraders wanted a rebate, but sprint's policy required 18 months for upgrade rebates. Many customers complained, and sprint had to make special allowances to give the rebate to their better customers (me included) who upgraded under the 18 month time frame. It may just be a coincidence, but if the speculation is right, the next treo will come out just about 18 months after the 650. This would solve the problem created by upgraders. Interesting.

Just a thought.

surur

09/07/2005, 02:41 PM

Kupe

09/07/2005, 05:06 PM

Isn't that exactly what happened?
Yes - unless you spent the month of August 05 under a rock. ;)

quake97

09/07/2005, 05:59 PM

Isn't that exactly what happened?

Surur

No, I don't think it did. I highly doubt that Treo 670 device is what we'll see. I think it was a prototype of the Windows Mobile version. I dunno, I think the rounded buttons were the better pick than the squared off one. Who knows though, perhaps Palm is going to make the Palm OS and Windows Mobile versions look different. Seems like a waste of money to do that, but I guess that's why I don't run Palm or Microsoft. :)

Joe

takmsdsm

09/07/2005, 06:24 PM

everyone in here is wrong? What if we dont get a new treo before the end of the year?

Last year, before this time even... we had proof and pictures of the 650 monthes before its release.

All we have now? Speculation and rumors. No technical specs whatsoever on the so called "WM Treo 670", just pages of oh wow and must be fake. No pictures or specs that say "Treo 670". And there is a post that the next treo will have cobalt... again... with no proof whatsoever.

What if sprint is sticking with the 650 for another year? It has been a hot seller. And it has the potential for future software upgrades so technically they dont really need to replace it right now.

If you remember, the PPC-6600 came out for sprint after the treo 650, and there has been at least confirmation from a sprint rep that there is chance that the new PPC-6700 is coming out within a month or so. And we have pictures of the device running sprint software.

All and all. i hope that there is a treo being released this year, cuz i want the latest and greatest. but in reality... i think that a PPC-6700 is a better chance of getting my money... i think people are building up false hopes for this next treo, and should not to hold their breath.

sledgie

09/07/2005, 06:31 PM

what if they are wrong? uhh you wait a little longer. Look, there's going to be a new treo. 2 actually. and then many more after that. Probably right after the new year. Probably announced right around November to generate hype. Then sales. Pre sales of course. Waiting lists. and so on.
Sprint will of course carry it. don't doubt that.

DrDoom

09/07/2005, 07:21 PM

t2gungho

09/07/2005, 07:22 PM

Gosh I hope so. If I have waited all this time when I could have gotten the 650...I might have to institutionalize myself.

I figure that Palm has to put out a new treo...there are too many other things out there already (i.e. 730) taking away *potential customers.

t2gungho

09/07/2005, 07:24 PM

Since when has a wireless company taken existing users into consideration when releasing a product? Never. And they never will....and the reason why is? Because they already have you under contract :)

dstrauss

09/08/2005, 10:14 AM

Sprint's upgrade policy has changed to two years as of August for the full $150.
That alone would blow the "18 month" theory out of the water, but there's one other thing.
Since when has a wireless company taken existing users into consideration when releasing a product? Never. And they never will.

I agree. In fact, I think the reverse is true; Sprint would do its dead level best to get it out the door a few months BEFORE the upgrade deadline for the prior release just to force full price upgrades.

Sneaky little b@$%@#&$. Oh well, what else would you expect from the blood sucking telecomm industry - do we expect them to show the same "restraint" as gasoline retailers have lately? :mad:

Iceman6

09/08/2005, 12:49 PM

I think Palm has to release something , regardless of OS, that supports Sprint's forthcoming EVDO rollout (http://www.sprint.com/business/products/products/evdoEnterZip.jsp). Sprint is gonna announce some new phones to accompany that rollout. I can't believe a new Treo won't be one of them.

Chatter

09/08/2005, 06:56 PM

If I had to guess, any new model this year will be an EVDO model that is basically a 650; I don't anticipate any REALLY new model until next year.

Marc

zgwortz

09/09/2005, 06:03 PM

I'm a programmer who has spent many years working on human interface design. While that's been mainly from a program UI point of view, I've done some device work as well, and have a good idea what consititutes a good UI design for a device. My take on the 670 and the 700 from a design point of view? The 670 looks like a fake to me. The videos show nothing that couldn't be done with a 650, and a couple of screen captures from a WM device massaged in an editor and merged into a movie, then played back on the 650.

Further, the physical layout of the 670 from the pictures looks like a step backwards. None of the changes in the physical design make sense from an ergonomic viewpoint, but would make much more sense if they represented an intermediate step between the 600 and 650. (Which fits -- it's been suggested by a number of people that the device in question is a early prototype 650...)

Now, the picture of the 700, *that* seems much more plausible to me. If it's a fake, it's a darn good one, and was done by someone who clearly understood good human interface design. There is a huge amount of detail in all those minor changes when comparing the 650 against the 700 that seems unlikely for a photoshopped fake.

Looking at all the minor tweaks between the 650 design and the 700 picture, almost every single one is something which, to my own eye as an interface designer, would make good ergonomic changes to the device. Even the flattening out and color changes of the graphics in the photo capture application applies -- while it would seem to be a step backwards from the 650's gradient shaded look, it actually makes the controls much more readable and distinct.

All IMHO. We'll see what happens.

Crashless

09/10/2005, 12:41 PM

Well, I'm not sure which OS the next Treo will have, but right now I'm depressed. All this year, I've hoped for a new Palm OS based Treo to replace my aging 600 - but it now seems that the Palm OS as we know it is dead (via HardOCP.com):
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1857528,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

I don't think I can justify buying a product that would be the last Palm OS device made. Investments in software alone make it difficult to argue that even with it's upsides, it is a good option.

RIP Palm OS 1996-2005 :cry:

gfunkmagic

09/10/2005, 09:27 PM

Does ptt require a seperate radio or does such a device use just one cell radio? If it does require a separate radio: I really do not want 4 radios in the same case! (Cell, Bluetooth, WiFi and ptt, if it needs one.)

All I want is a 650 with EV-DO, 64mb internal memory and an SD slot that will handle a 4gb card. Please do not gum up the works, Palm! (Unless you can get it all in there with no conflicts.)

Cheers, Perry.

Sprint's PTT uses vision or 1xrtt, thus it does not require a separate radio...

For >>2GB capacity cards, Palm will have to update the FAT driver to FAT32 which is likely since they have done that on the Lifedrive, but it certainly is NOT a definite knowing palm...

gfunkmagic

09/10/2005, 09:35 PM

What advantage does PTT have over paying the extra $5 for unlimited PCS2PCS calling?

The greatest advantage of PTT is BROADCAST CALLING! This is very valuable for companies etc that want to contact all their employees at the same time. For example, say you want to contact 10 or so people at once without calling everyone individually. Well with PTT (or Ready Link), you can set a broadcast RL to all 10 people like a conference call. It is easy and simple. I think the max conference RL for sprint is something liek 20 or so but I'm not sure...

Thus the greater your RL group, the more valuable it is. But I agree it is not necessarily the best product otherwise especially if you are not in a company or group that extensively uses RL...

Also, for all those you keep mentioning 128MB ram. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! First of all, all next gen Treos will obvisouly use NVFS. It would be crazy for Palm to go back now. Thus, next gen Treos may have 64MB or 128MB ram, but it really is just 32MB of volitite ram. Furthermore, if they did indeed add a >>64MB Nand chip, I would imagine they would use the rest as storage heap anyway similar to the T5 which would be a better solution imo anyway. A Treo iwth 256MB or 1Gb nand with drive mode feature would be pretty cool imo...