Treo 700 Official Photo?

[AdamSurfer]

Not sure, it looks real to me?

[t2gungho]

It doesnt look that much different? (You do know that there are a gazillion new posts about these and Ronbo has worked tirelessly to merge them all?)

[dutchtrumpet]

this actually different than anything I've seen. (at least on my treo)

[archie]

No it's not.

It is completely different.


Stubbier and fatter rounded-off antenna
Bigger signal light
Different logo with a "p" that extends down around the curved screen molding
rounder and shallower ear piece
4 side buttons
corners are much more rounded
menu buttons are now too close together – too indiscernible
corners are much more rounded
whole unit looks a little more shallow
new camera app and apparently new lens that has more pixels and a more powerful zoom

[midmofan]

Also its not a photo, just a drawing .

[archie]

Oh, and it looks the radio button up top is longer, so I wonder where the illustrator would have the IR placed.

[archie]

Also its not a photo, just a drawing .
Yeah, but I believe THIS is closer to reality than anything else we have seen. Take that for what it is worth to you coming from me — knowing that I have discounted every other thing that has been posted here throughout this entire year.

[dutchtrumpet]

real or not...I like this design.

from where did this pic come?

[RicoM]

real or not...I like this design.

from where did this pic come?

I'd guess from the picture that it came from "Cool Tech Times".:p

*checking*

Yup

http://cooltechtimes.com

[RicoM]

Cool Tech describes it but doesn't say where they got the picture from or any of the info....oh well.

[cruelpupet]

Agreed, I like this design over the video of the WM treo (which i also believe is fake)

As for merging the threads...as this is a different picture then anything posted before I am happy it was put into its own thread. Some of us cannot live on this message board and it would have been lost in the middle of a thread and never seen.

[archie]

Looks like the call buttons have swelled substanially in size too.

I like this design except for the odd messy-like arrangement of the function buttons around the d-pad. Oh yeah, the center button of the d-pad looks just a little bigger too.

[jmill72x]

I like the design too. I like the new rounded look, and the stubbier antenna helps.

[Insp_Gadget]

Looks like the call buttons have swelled substanially in size too.

I like this design except for the odd messy-like arrangement of the function buttons around the d-pad. Oh yeah, the center button of the d-pad looks just a little bigger too.

You're talking about the on-screen representation of the D-pad (in the photo application). The actual D-pad doesn't have any markings (other than the direction arrows).

[cruelpupet]

Also, while i like this design...it is also a fake. Besides the poster only having 1 post, I find it odd that the site cool tech times has listed all the specs, but doesnt have an actual pic.

[archie]

One thing that is disappointing is that I know it will still only have Bluetooth 1.1 because I just checked the Bluetooth SIG organization yesterday and neither Palm or PalmSource have applied/registered for Bluetooth 1.2, 1.2+ or 2.0 (with exception of 1.2 for Cobalt about 2 years ago, but it seems reasonable to discount this).

No activity from them in almost 2 years on the bluetooth front.

[archie]

Looks like the call buttons have swelled substanially in size too.

I like this design except for the odd messy-like arrangement of the function buttons around the d-pad. Oh yeah, the center button of the d-pad looks just a little bigger too.
You're talking about the on-screen representation of the D-pad (in the photo application). The actual D-pad doesn't have any markings (other than the direction arrows).

I'm talkin' about the on and off buttons, the home key, the menu key and the calendar and mail keys around the d-pad. Looks like an intimidating hodge-podge of buttons, all differently sized and too close together.

[archie]

Also, while i like this design...it is also a fake. Besides the poster only having 1 post, I find it odd that the site cool tech times has listed all the specs, but doesnt have an actual pic.
Perhaps my memory is fading but as I recall, every other Treo that has been released in the past was foreshadowed with a drawing very similar to this. I could be wrong but this is what I seem to recall. Peerhaps it is just wishfull thinking but this just feels like it is reel to me based on what it is we are looking at here, its timing and certain other specific events.

Anyone else remember these drawings or have any sitting around to post and compare.

[Insp_Gadget]

I'm talkin' about the on and off buttons, the home key, the menu key and the calendar and mail keys around the d-pad. Looks like an intimidating hodge-podge of buttons, all differently sized and too close together.

They don't look any different than what is on the current Treo 650. Same number of buttons... Same configuration...maybe a little bigger? :hmm:

[archie]

Looks different to me.

But looking at it again in Photoshop really quick, it does seem to hold a bit of order. It is just in a different perspective. Instead of a linear layout (like all previous Palm devices), the function keys are now in a square layout completely surrounding the d-pad.

[cruelpupet]

Perhaps my memory is fading but as I recall, every other Treo that has been released in the past was foreshadowed with a drawing very similar to this. I could be wrong but this is what I seem to recall. Peerhaps it is just wishfull thinking but this just feels like it is reel to me based on what it is we are looking at here, its timing and certain other specific events.

Anyone else remember these drawings or have any sitting around to post and compare.


I believe those photos would appear earlier in the year, and most were not of the actual treo that was goign to come out. Maybe my memory is faulty but by this time of year I think we should be seeing real photos as it should be in the testing phase now.

[dutchtrumpet]

Perhaps my memory is fading but as I recall, every other Treo that has been released in the past was foreshadowed with a drawing very similar to this. I could be wrong but this is what I seem to recall. Peerhaps it is just wishfull thinking but this just feels like it is reel to me based on what it is we are looking at here, its timing and certain other specific events.

Anyone else remember these drawings or have any sitting around to post and compare.
this is correct

[dutchtrumpet]

I believe those photos would appear earlier in the year, and most were not of the actual treo that was goign to come out. Maybe my memory is faulty but by this time of year I think we should be seeing real photos as it should be in the testing phase now.
real photos of the 650 were leaked on this board by weebitobessed on or about aug 29th last year.

[meyerweb]

IF this is real, the 4th button could well indicate PTT, which seems pretty likely with the Nextel merger. The changes to the keyboard look like just the kind of incremental improvments Palm likes to make. If that little raised buttony thing on top is a return to the separate screen on/off button (instead of putting it on the hang-up button) I'd be happy with that.

But the changes to the form aren't near enough to get me to trade in/up. There had better be significant internal (hardware and software) improvements IF this is the next Treo.

[ButtUglyJeff]

This just looks like an artists "guess" at what the next Treo might look like. I doubt this image is based on anything more then a shot in the dark.:shake:

[whatever7]

^^ The amount of attention paid to the detail of this rendering make it pretty believable. It's a lot of work on Illustrator or Freehand.

Every rumor indicates that there is minimum change in the aesthetics of the phone.

I am quite disappointed. Even Porsche change the look of their cars once in a while.

Expend the line up Palm!

[vw2002]

its just my guess, but I'm betting the pic from cool tech times is just one of the two possible new treos to show up next.
I have a feeling that this one may be the linux based or palm os - based treo.
the other treo, which roc a fella leaked to us and is called the treo 670, is of course, the windows - based treo. there are larger kb buttons and the dedicated email, answer and end call buttons are all significantly larger than the "t700". I hope it is the other way around, because I absolutely love the keyboard display on the 670 - roc a fella's pics. I think its going to have the smoothest typing experience and best overall feel due to the large keys.
we will see, but this is just my hunch.

[B-model]

real or fake - this is one of the best "Treo 700's" we seen so far (and we have seen alot). some one spent alot of time on this. IT's also more realistic then 'slider' or some of the other mick ups we've seen.

it's getting more intresting everyday....

[Sean-Troy]

:rolleyes: i want a treo with 2.2 hours of talk time wouldn't it be great

[MisterFuhrman]

If this is a fake, somebody spent quite a bit of time on it. The P key seems to have a different symbol on it, but I could be wrong.

I sort of doubt the fact that the extra side button would be for PTT because it is so small.

[whatever7]

The fourth button should be the "next" button use on mp3 players.
"Volume up" "Volume down" "Play/Pause" "Next" make sense? :D

Maybe Palm has finally answered my prayer? Please dump real player too. Pllleeeaaassee~~

[MAMAHNITA]

yeh it has it's difference but I'm wondering how they jumped from the 670 to 700 ?
But anyway I like the design even though it look like it would break if you held it too tight. But that's just me.

[MAMAHNITA]

I Want a treo that has a face plate that comes in different colors.

[ToolkiT]

the pic looks a bit japanese to me for some reason. Had to look twice at the screen to see if the text was english or japanese..

Dont think its a official pic, for some reason I expect the new treo to look more different from the current range, kinda like the diff between the 360 and 600..

[treosixoo]

I'd guess from the picture that it came from "Cool Tech Times".:p

*checking*

Yup

http://cooltechtimes.comHow reliable is this site?

[RicoM]

How reliable is this site?

I've never heard of the site before...but that doesn't mean much coming frome me :D

[sam2579]

ummm ... I got a question..... if somebody released just a drawing image instead of real picture of new treo... does that still count as breaking NDA ??? Just curious ... :-)

[Mtreosexual]

I do not think this will be a major upgrade .Bigger screen is what everyone is waiting for a long time. Screen size is something which hasnot changed much since last 4 Treo's.
Looks like Treo 650 on few weeks of steroids..

[Antoine of MMM]

ummm ... I got a question..... if somebody released just a drawing image instead of real picture of new treo... does that still count as breaking NDA ??? Just curious ... :-)

Actually it does; but if it was sent to someone who didnt have an NDA and they posted it, and didnt say whom they got it from, then it would be postable.

[dstrauss]

I do not think this will be a major upgrade .Bigger screen is what everyone is waiting for a long time. Screen size is something which hasnot changed much since last 4 Treo's.
Looks like Treo 650 on few weeks of steroids..

Nah - maybe one dose of 'roids. I don't see all the fuss over this picture/rendering. Not enough, in any event, to merit a whole new badge (700) as opposed to a 6XX (or was that 666) faceplate. I know Palm (Handspring) loves to deal in baby steps, so the future 320x480 slider-over-keyboard, 256mb ram, WiFi version of the Treo is at least two model years away. :rolleyes:

[bmacfarland]

As best I can tell this phone lives and dies on the pricing of EVDO. I don't know see why anyone would upgrade from the Treo 650 if they were on GSM. 1.3 Megapixel camera seems to be the only other reported upgrade. Oh, there's an 8x digital zoom, but digital zoom doesn't count, it's just software. They could release that for the Treo 650 (though it would probably be really bad with .3MP camera).

Gotta hope they are planning to come out with more features and not just a different look.

[master1m]

I hoping that they were going to take away the antenna. :rolleyes:

[dolo]

I hoping that they were going to take away the antenna. :rolleyes:

no antenna would be nice for a change :)

Although, this mock up seems to make the device a bit more compact and streamlined (with its rounded edges, etc.)

No antenna and a 3.5" jack for standard headphones would be so great.

We'll know soon enough.

regards,
dolo

[Insertion]

I hoping that they were going to take away the antenna. :rolleyes:
How the hell would you take it out of your pocket then? Isn't it part of the Pocket Extraction System?? :confused:

[Thunder God]

i like it. is there any indication that the future treo might include ptt function?

[dolo]

with the late discussions regarding the "670" and now the "leaked" 700, i haven't seen any discussions referencing the timeframe when we will be seeing this 700.

anyone have any insight in regards to this?

regards,
dolo

[archie]

The only insight I can add is rather confusing. Someone posted about a report issued today by DigiTimes. It basically just restates the Windows Mobile rumor as news and then goes onto say that it couldn't be verified because neither HTC or Palm would comment — thanks alot for THAT breaking news bit. No verification.

Then to add to the confusion, they state that Palm expects to ship 420,000 Treos in the third quarter, which is up from the second quarter and even further up from the first quarter. They have specific numbers but are confused in their quarters. I don't think their time frames match up with Palm's because Palm's 4th and final quarter of the year ends on Aug. 30th. Why would they report on third quarter epectations which were wrapped up 3 months ago.

To add to the confusion even more, they seem to think they know when the next Treo is shipping — first quarter of next year. What they fail to tell us is if that is the calendar year or the financial year (Palm's next financial year starts September 1). But it is impossible to determine what they might mean because the rest of the article is clueless.


FWIW, I know someone that said they would ship in August (but he may have meant shipping to carriers for testing as recent evidence holds), I personally say October, some say by Christmas, some say first quarter of '06. Most recently, I'm leaning towards "I don't care anymore because I probably won't buy it."

[dolo]

lol archie.

it seems there may have been some confusions regarding fiscal vs. calendar year statements.

for the most part, most organizations will run their forecasts, p/l's by the fiscal calendar. when they speak of product launches in regards to a marketing calendar, most organizations reference the consumer calendar year.

hope that helps to clear things up.

question still remains - is the next drop the 670 or the 700?

regards,
dolo

[StevenChoi]

I would *guess*

670 - Window Mobile
700 - Palm / Cobalt

[lappari]

Well is this the feature ??? At least it has PalmOS

Quote:
The Palm rumors won't stop now that the faucet is turned on. A new rumor involving the Palm Treo 700 shows a more rounded deisgn and smaller antenna, with enhancements that include EVDO and a 1.3 megapixel camera with 8x digital zoom.

http://www.bargainpda.com/assets/4108.jpg

The image is clearly a rendering, rather than an actual product shot, but as far as these things go, it looks more legitimate than the more common fakes.While there is no claim as to which OS in on the machine, the promise of EVDO probably has Sprint PCS and Verizon subscribers nearing a froth. The high speed data network vastly improves the usability of these devices with data heavy tasks.

Full link and more info
http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=2628

Lappari out

[Perry Holden]

We should probably bump this to the Future Treo forum.

Maybe we can just will the 700 to get here by the sheer wait of the rumors. . . . :p

Cheers, Perry.

[lappari]

I will buy it if it has WiFi.... If not - forget it

[tj8212]

I concur on the wi fi. Also, the must improve the megapixel to at least two. Som e nokia phones are already pushing 3 mega pixels. And please get rid of the antenna

[B-model]

I reaize wiFi is almost the number 1 topic on TC, but I'm not sold on the WiFi bit ... not if it is EVDO capable. Wifi would be a nice feature, but a deal breaker - IMO No.

Who needs to find a hot spot - give me EVDO and I'm 100% mobile.

[ronbo2000]

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[vw2002]

I would *guess*

670 - Window Mobile
700 - Palm / Cobalt


yep, that`s what im betting its gonna be.

[chankla]

If thinner and shorter than the 650 with the rounded edges - then I'm interested.

[Jazzi]

If thinner and shorter than the 650 with the rounded edges - then I'm interested.

LOL, you guys kill me. You know, and I know, that no matter what the enhancements are, each of us will be scrambling to buy them when it's released.

[jamespaulritter]

Not sure, it looks real to me?


Thats a great pic. I would be pretty happy if that were the new Treo.

[gfunkmagic]

I want to know what os this thing has? Frankengarnet or Coblat?!! I hope that latter..

Also how much NVFS Ram? It better have at least 64 MB imo. Also I'm hoping it might have Nand storage space like the T%, but that might be asking too much huh?

[gfunkmagic]

Oh yeah... where is Weebitobsessed with the leaked pics of the next gen palmos Treo?

[skfny]

LOL, you guys kill me. You know, and I know, that no matter what the enhancements are, each of us will be scrambling to buy them when it's released.

If it does have EVDO and Sprint has reasonable pricing plans, there's no way I'm not getting one. But I'll be sure to cheer on the dissenters so that I can move up in the initial-order line. :)

[dstrauss]

IMHO 64mb is too little too late. If it is EVDO, so we can skip the whole WiFi experience, then it needs to multi-task and store much more information without the SD card two-step. Yes, I'm a good little ZLauncher/Powerrun soldier, but those days are severely numbered. If there was anything I liked about PPC (not much exactly) it was a file structure that was very much like Windows, where I don't have to worry about storage/memory issues. In other words, I'm D@&^ tired of playing 1980's type extended memory games to juggle my programs.

Put some memory in the D@&^ thing (256mb minimum) and make the memory architecture transparent to the user.

Rant off.

[Treolo]

Let's say that the new Treo has EV-DO (which I think it will) and Sprint charges an unreasonable fee for EV-DO, can we still sign up for the regular CDMA 1x vision? I hope you can.

Al

[grndslm]

I want to know what os this thing has? Frankengarnet or Coblat?!! I hope that latter..Soo...if we've got a Palm Linux OS in the works FOR SURE....why would developers waste time with a Cobalt kernel?? That's what I'm wondering?

I'd be pretty sure that Palm's going to stick with OS5 for a couple reasons. I'd obviously prefer a Cobalt version over a Garnet version if Cobalt were the future...but it's not!

[grndslm]

Oh yeah... where is Weebitobsessed with the leaked pics of the next gen palmos Treo?He's in the pen.

[grndslm]

Let's say that the new Treo has EV-DO (which I think it will) and Sprint charges an unreasonable fee for EV-DO, can we still sign up for the regular CDMA 1x vision? I hope you can.

AlI read on another thread that Sprint will charge $30/mo for EV-DO. That's perfectly fine by me. I said I wouldn't upgrade until they EV-DO became $10 or $15/mo....but I might bite at $20 or $25/mo. At least as soon as I get the Treo 900...sure!

[pedro_treo700]

Could not be more disappointed about the drawing of the 700. I was waiting for a lot more than the same bulky form factor.
How may times can Palm rearrange the same buttons on the same device?
The antenna is STILL there and the thickness is STILL the same. Have you guys seen how cell phones look like these days?
I’m also willing to bet money the SD card slot is still exposed (and prone to losing cards) and the headphone jack STILL needs a special adaptor for listen to music – I’m reaching here since this is all speculation, but these small issues make the Treo amateurish at best in the ‘non-geek’ consumer market.
Palm has a great chance to reach into this much larger market and has done some inrows in this area. You can already see celebrities and “cool” people sporting a Treos out and about. There’s definitely a wow factor to the Treo, but you still can’t escape the geekness of the size and it's corks.
It seems like Palm cannot hire qualified people to take this product to the next level. They are still paying the early adopter gadget game. Let’s hope on that from that they will finally support WiFi.

I feel stuck with the Treo and Palm OS being a Mac user. Worst, I need a GSM phone to be able to travel and change Sim cards.
This 700 has nothing for me yet. I’m still on the 600 because I felt the 650 was too minor of an improvement. Looks like I’ll be waiting for the 800 or some other company to step up to the place.
I have a feeling Treo is only selling as much because there’s nothing better in the market – and “nothing better in the market” unfortunately does not mean it is good.

Palm V/Treo 270/Treo 600

[dutchtrumpet]

Could not be more disappointed about the drawing of the 700. I was waiting for a lot more than the same bulky form factor.
How may times can Palm rearrange the same buttons on the same device?
The antenna is STILL there and the thickness is STILL the same. Have you guys seen how cell phones look like these days?
I’m also willing to bet money the SD card slot is still exposed (and prone to losing cards) and the headphone jack STILL needs a special adaptor for listen to music – I’m reaching here since this is all speculation, but these small issues make the Treo amateurish at best in the ‘non-geek’ consumer market.
Palm has a great chance to reach into this much larger market and has done some inrows in this area. You can already see celebrities and “cool” people sporting a Treos out and about. There’s definitely a wow factor to the Treo, but you still can’t escape the geekness of the size and it's corks.
It seems like Palm cannot hire qualified people to take this product to the next level. They are still paying the early adopter gadget game. Let’s hope on that from that they will finally support WiFi.

I feel stuck with the Treo and Palm OS being a Mac user. Worst, I need a GSM phone to be able to travel and change Sim cards.
This 700 has nothing for me yet. I’m still on the 600 because I felt the 650 was too minor of an improvement. Looks like I’ll be waiting for the 800 or some other company to step up to the place.
I have a feeling Treo is only selling as much because there’s nothing better in the market – and “nothing better in the market” unfortunately does not mean it is good.

Palm V/Treo 270/Treo 600

Hi tundy, long time no see :)

[rgps]

How long typically from rumor to market ? Available at verizon that is ?

[skfny]

I read on another thread that Sprint will charge $30/mo for EV-DO. That's perfectly fine by me. I said I wouldn't upgrade until they EV-DO became $10 or $15/mo....but I might bite at $20 or $25/mo. At least as soon as I get the Treo 900...sure!


A tripling or doubling in the data plan price (I currently pay $10) is EXACTLY what would make me avoid the next Treo like the plague. I'm willing to be the first beta-tester and pay $600 to get the new Treo on day 1, but NOT an extra $120-$240 EVERY year on top of that.

[treosixoo]

A tripling or doubling in the data plan price (I currently pay $10) is EXACTLY what would make me avoid the next Treo like the plague. I'm willing to be the first beta-tester and pay $600 to get the new Treo on day 1, but NOT an extra $120-$240 EVERY year on top of that.I look at it like Cable Internet vs. Dial Up. Cable cost a lot more, but I could never go back to Dial Up no matter how cheap it.

[Scott R]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is an awful Photoshop mockup. They've taken the existing Treo 650 and made some tweaks here and there. Hardly a professional job. And if this *does* turn out to be a mockup of the real deal, then that's just sad because the design is just a boring update to the current 650 design.

[dwman]

the design is just a boring update to the current 650 design.

As was the 650 as compared to the 600...virtually the same phone except for some nice improvements. It was a successful design, so you stay with what works.

[dstrauss]

As was the 650 as compared to the 600...virtually the same phone except for some nice improvements. It was a successful design, so you stay with what works.

So, why not innovate a little? 320x480 screen over sliding keyboard?

BECAUSE

They ain't no money in the coffers. That distinction will be reserved for generation 2 of the WM5 version to come in 2007. :(

[jamespaulritter]

I like it. I look forward to it. The design wasnt the problem. The 23 megs of usable RAM is a problem.

23 megs!

23 MEGS!!!

I think its good lookin and likely.

[skfny]

I look at it like Cable Internet vs. Dial Up. Cable cost a lot more, but I could never go back to Dial Up no matter how cheap it.


That's true, but I'm already paying for DSL at home. I don't want to have to pay the same for DSL on the go. (Although from their POV, why should Sprint charge any less for DSL on the go?)

[skfny]

And if this *does* turn out to be a mockup of the real deal, then that's just sad because the design is just a boring update to the current 650 design.


At first, I might agree. But if this Treo packs affordable EV-DO AND Cobalt, that's a big step forward for Palm, and I'll be first in line.

A year ago, when the 650 was released, I said I'd be happy buy extremely surprised if Palm put 3 of the 4 into the next Treo:

EV-DO
Cobalt
WiFi
Hi-Res+

Looks like we got 1-2, closer to what I honestly expected.

[treosixoo]

That's true, but I'm already paying for DSL at home. I don't want to have to pay the same for DSL on the go. (Although from their POV, why should Sprint charge any less for DSL on the go?)I always said "I Will Never Pay For Satellite Radio In My Car!" Guess what I'm about to have installed in my truck? :) So, I think in the end most of us will pay more for faster internet on our Treo's.

[mattmcg]

This is a bad photoshop hackjob....... I think that the pics of the Treo 670 show a continued advancement in keyboard, d-pad, and button design which is exactly where these design teams would look to take the product. The Bluetooth 1.2 is a no brainer and interestingly enough (and not that I'm a big MS fan) but the Windows Mobile 5.0 was also a no brainer. Here I sit with my Windows XP, and the latest Outlook and I have my data being synchronized to Palm Desktop which provides me ZERO value. With a native Word, PowerPoint, and Excel to boot with WIN Mobile 5.0, this just makes this phone a true enterprise player. I'll hate to see Palm OS go but frankly, it's become a little long in the tooth as a platform and hasn't really changed much.

[whatever7]

Originally Posted by skfny
That's true, but I'm already paying for DSL at home. I don't want to have to pay the same for DSL on the go. (Although from their POV, why should Sprint charge any less for DSL on the go?)
I always said "I Will Never Pay For Satellite Radio In My Car!" Guess what I'm about to have installed in my truck? :) So, I think in the end most of us will pay more for faster internet on our Treo's.

Yeah. And people are getting voip phone in their home and getting rip off the traditional landlines.

But satllite radio is a rip off! Audiobook > * :D

[littlewaywelt]

Yeah. And people are getting voip phone in their home and getting rip off the traditional landlines.

But satllite radio is a rip off! Audiobook > * :D

satelite radio is outstanding. it's the difference between regular tv with 5 channels and directv or cable.

I consider the $300 after rebate for lifetime Sirius to be 100% worthwhile. I never listen to fm anymore. The music is 1000% better, the other options are better. Best money I've spent on music in the last five years, next to my iPod.

[mattmcg]

How the heck to you get the "$300 after rebate" deal? I only see $500 for lifetime service! Please advise.

[gfunkmagic]

satelite radio is outstanding. it's the difference between regular tv with 5 channels and directv or cable.

I consider the $300 after rebate for lifetime Sirius to be 100% worthwhile. I never listen to fm anymore. The music is 1000% better, the other options are better. Best money I've spent on music in the last five years, next to my iPod.


Eh... sorry I still refuse to pay for radio...

Too bad the big labels killed off most internet radio stations a few years ago. Yeah I know there's shoutcast etc, but it's not like it used to be. If not, with the advent of 3G and wimax in the future, no one would be caring about satellite radio now and instead be interesting in 3g/Wimax in their cars etc to stream any radio station (premium or not) they want where ever they are. You can already do this to a limited extent on the Treo 650+Ptunes right now...but it is limited not only by the format but by the regulations that killed off most good radio stations off the internet...:(

[gfunkmagic]

Soo...if we've got a Palm Linux OS in the works FOR SURE....why would developers waste time with a Cobalt kernel?? That's what I'm wondering?

I'd be pretty sure that Palm's going to stick with OS5 for a couple reasons. I'd obviously prefer a Cobalt version over a Garnet version if Cobalt were the future...but it's not!


Palm Linux is still a couple years away from actually appearing on devices fyi. Read the following article for more info:

http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=169300302

Furthermore, FrankenGarnet really has reached it's end of life and is looking pretty stale these days. Palm cannot simply remain with this trying to hack and patch it's way with Garnet for next couple years. IMO, at some point it has got to release a Cobalt device if it has any intentions of remaining with the palmos platform which I think it has...

[tbone-Ike]

Whether the photo is a fake or not, I hope they don't change the basic form factor (although I could do without the antenna) and button layout - it works well for most of us.

-jeff

[Iceman6]

Thanks for the link to the Infoweek article, gfunk. Well worth reading.

[dstrauss]

Palm Linux is still a couple years away from actually appearing on devices fyi. Read the following article for more info:

http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=169300302

Furthermore, FrankenGarnet really has reached it's end of life and is looking pretty stale these days. Palm cannot simply remain with this trying to hack and patch it's way with Garnet for next couple years. IMO, at some point it has got to release a Cobalt device if it has any intentions of remaining with the palmos platform which I think it has...

An interesting read, but I still have real doubts about the "time to market" problem facing Palmux. As fast as telecomm and technology are moving, I just can't see the market waiting for Palm as we suffer with FrankenGarnet and its poor patching history.

[craigdts]

I like the rounded edges because they will allow the treo to take more abuse. Sharp corners mean more PSI and therefore more change of cracking. I'm happy for the rounding. Give me Cobalt and I'll be happy.

[Insertion]

I like the rounded edges because they will allow the treo to take more abuse. Sharp corners mean more PSI and therefore more change of cracking. I'm happy for the rounding. Give me Cobalt and I'll be happy.Well, there's an angle I've not heard before...

[kbellve]

New Guy Here:

I am in the market for a PDA/Phone. Now, I just have a LG 4400, but I am looking for more, like GPS capability (as an extra). Looks like I can do this with the Treo 650 since Palm sells a GPS kit (seems to be sold out). But the killer for me is that the Treo 650 does not have native WiFi support. There seems to be a vapor product that adds WiFi to the 650 but seems to be a massive brick. I want to use WiFi at work and at home (poor cellular signal at my house), so I can browse the web, IM or send email without kicking the kids off the computer.

So, my options are to wait for the Treo 700 which may have WiFi or purchase the new Samsung phone now which has WiFi built in...

[Iceman6]

I recommend you wait a few months. There are some amazing phones in the pipeline, like the HTC Wizard, Universal, and Apache, the Treo 670/700, the ETEN m600, and probably a few more that no one has even heard of.

[magician]

HI Insertion,
Just to say I like your avatars.but please will you STOP MONKEYING AROUND......................................

[Insertion]

HI Insertion,
Just to say I like your avatars.but please will you STOP MONKEYING AROUND......................................I'm being redundant, but...

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?

[DrDoom]

I'm being redundant, but...

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?

...I've discussed this with you. My answer stands. :evil:

[magician]

I'm being redundant, but...

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?
Trust me my good man of plenty when opne says: I am amused by your banana antics. One does like being entertained by your learned way of chimpiness. May one commend you and keep up the good work old chap. :thumbsup:

[magician]

I had a few mins spare the other day before I started work so treat myself to a extra expensive coffee in the London Savoy. There I saw several top buisiness dudes were using a (FORGIVE ME AS A MAKE AN EXPLITIVE) Gooseberry.I mean Blackberry. I started to use my 650 just for the hell of it and you could see them dying to having a look. One guy did come over and had a chat to him about it. He was most miffed as his Blackberry is just a really smelly goosberry in disguise.