OK, so will there be a palm version [Archive]

Insertion

09/26/2005, 06:05 PM

What's the skinny? I don't want the WM version. Personally, I think it will be just another way to deal with spyware, virsuses and security loopholes.

So does anyone know if there really is going to be a Palm OS version of the new phone?
Your paranoia is eating you up.

luvdldy

09/26/2005, 06:20 PM

Your paranoia is eating you up.

NO SIR/MADAM:

I am an IT professional, so that is the inevitable ending when dealing with a Windows OS.

Geez man. Why don't you check these links:

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=337069
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/security/news/60495/cabir-authors-create-first-windows-mobile-virus.html

ANYWAY, anyone have a pertinent answer to my question about an upgrade to the Palm OS Treo?

Thanks in advance.

shadowmite

09/26/2005, 06:27 PM

luvdldy

09/26/2005, 06:31 PM

Umm, no, nada, not gonna happen?

If it does, it'll be months down the road, they are just announcing this device which is not to be released for 4 months or so.

Palm OS is not dead, but it's bleeding all over the place.

Thanks shadow... nice to see you again.

Well I have really started to enjoy the Palm OS and I am really hoping that they come out with Palm version. After being in the IT world for over 12 years, I have seen that only having the option of Windows is crippling, as we have seen when a major virus hits. I do NOT want to have major problems just because I opened an email in Outlook or Exchange or opening a word doc.

Thank goodness for Linux and yes people I use Windows as well, so don't ask.

llarson

09/26/2005, 06:50 PM

Palm OS is not dead, but it's bleeding all over the place.

And Palm has asked Bill "Dr.Kevorkian" Gates to help them out. As i said earlier Uncle Bill hates competition and he will sell Palm the rope to hang themselves.

imageone

09/26/2005, 06:55 PM

I think this is what we wanted to hear.

http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/685-1.htm

darnell

09/26/2005, 06:58 PM

And Palm has asked Bill "Dr.Kevorkian" Gates to help them out. As i said earlier Uncle Bill hates competition and he will sell Palm the rope to hang themselves.

What Bill is offering them is a whole new market. Palm (maker of Treo Smartphones) is not PalmSource (maker of the Palm OS). So what Bill is doing is offering Palm the gun to shoot PalmSource :D . Palm is not a software company. They are a hardware company. A device manufacturer. So whatever happens to the Palm OS and PalmSource will not impact Palm much given their new buddy.

longterm

09/26/2005, 07:07 PM

From everything I'm reading, I tend to think that Palm OS is dead. Having suffered for years with Windows, this is not good news to me.

I don't want to buy a Treo running WM, but from all that I'm reading, the die is cast and the current version of Palm OS will likely be the last one that we see.

I've already said in a previous post that I wouldn't buy a Treo with WM, but if it's the only game in town, I may have no choice. What I WILL have a choice over though, is platform. By switching to WM, Palm becomes merely another builder of little boxes; there will be no reason, then for me not to consider the new Motorola Q, for example.

I think this will be the death of Palm altogether if they don't find an OS to support other than WM. If they drop support of Palm OS (as I think they're going to), then they, like other hardware manufacturers, will be at the mercy of M$, and that can't be a good thing in the long run.

On the other hand, if somehow PalmSource magically pulls it all together and comes up with Palm OS 6 that moves us forward (finally), then I'll jump on it first without a backwards glance at a WM-based smartphone.

Here's what the Palm suit DIDN'T say: he explicitly did NOT say that Palm was dropping support of Palm OS. He said that they weren't interested in a Linux-based OS or any other new OS, but he did NOT say that they were dropping their use of Palm OS. So I'm holding out faint hope... very faint...

skfny

09/26/2005, 07:12 PM

I wanted to hear that they have confidence in Cobalt/PalmLinux and the next Treo will have it, not that they'll release another Palm device with possibly no multi-tasking OS and limited future prospects.

delta_baggage

09/26/2005, 07:18 PM

What Bill is offering them is a whole new market. Palm (maker of Treo Smartphones) is not PalmSource (maker of the Palm OS). So what Bill is doing is offering Palm the gun to shoot PalmSource :D . Palm is not a software company. They are a hardware company. A device manufacturer. So whatever happens to the Palm OS and PalmSource will not impact Palm much given their new buddy.

Yes, I am sure the "siren's call" was something along the lines of, "We want you to be the 'Nokia' of Windows Mobile device manufacturers. Just as they layer on custom hardware-based programming to Symbian, you'll do the same with your "Treo-fication" of Windows Mobile..."

The only problem? Well, maybe this link from 2002 (http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1454300) will help put things into perspective...

TheBigBadWolf

09/26/2005, 07:33 PM

Wow so there is hope that Palm OS will continue even if it is for a few more years...So what happens if they don't continue do we all get refunded by Billionaire Bill for all the effort we put into maintaining and upgrading our Treo's? I mean if its inevitable then so be it, just be upfront about it. I don't want to have wasted all my money on something that will be obsolete in January. Know what I mean jellybean?

Fittske

09/26/2005, 07:40 PM

not that they'll release another Palm device with possibly no multi-tasking OS and limited future prospects.

They have their next treo with "multi-tasking OS" It is the WM5 Treo. Expect the next Palm OS Treo to have the same hardware as the new WM5 treo, but same ole PalmOS that is in our 650.

Palm could not build a multi-tasking OS, so they went to Microsoft and bought one!

Cobalt is dead.....
Palm/lunix is dead.....
PalmOS has received the death sentence......

May PalmOS Rest in Peace.

surur

09/26/2005, 07:41 PM

Bigger leads have been eroded in the past.

Can Microsoft save Windows CE?
by Ephraim Schwartz

June 2, 1999

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9906/02/wince.idg/

RickMG

09/26/2005, 07:48 PM

In today's press conference:

Colligan said Palm would not extend its hardware platform to other smart-phone operating systems such as Linux or Symbian.

"We are going to focus on what we have on the table," he said. "This is for customers who want that familiar Windows user experience. Certainly for Palm, we will reach into many more companies with these devices."

Palm did not discuss how it will use the Palm OS in conjunction with the new hardware it showed off Monday. But the company has said it plans to continue developing products, including smart phones, based on the Palm OS.

darnell

09/26/2005, 07:55 PM

I am convinced that if some folks here were running Palm they would do a great job of running the company out of business.

llarson

09/26/2005, 08:04 PM

I am convinced that if some folks here were running Palm they would do a great job of running the company out of business.

Darnell,

You seem to think Palm as an independent hardware company will have a better chance of surviving if they switch to the MS OS.

What you seem to fail to grasp is a Palm company not selling a Plam OS is dead.

If anyone wants a good MS Smartphone there are many to choose from. Palms move today seems to chime the end of the Palm OS, even if Palm is a hardware company. Is a Palm device a Palm device if it runs MS OS? To many it is not.

Many on this forum and who own a TREO bought it for the Palm OS.

Apple running MS Windows is not an Apple computer...IMHO.

whatever7

09/26/2005, 08:18 PM

they also said they would make different versions of treo to branch out the pda phone line. i heard it from my own ears during treo roadshow. one year later they have nothing to show for.

maybe os5.4 will remain the os of the new "treo lite" phone that they will release at the 299, 399 price point? they keep using older os on the zire line right?

(sorry i am typing form work terminal where the cap key is not working.)

matro

09/26/2005, 08:18 PM

By switching to WM, Palm becomes merely another builder of little boxes; there will be no reason, then for me not to consider the new Motorola Q, for example.I quote what you said, I'm agree with you.

ronbo2000

09/26/2005, 08:23 PM

MarkY

09/26/2005, 08:24 PM

What you seem to fail to grasp is a Palm company not selling a Plam OS is dead.
Palm no longer owns an OS. They are purely a hardware company that licenses an OS. Assuming they can keep the Treo (hardware) modern, why would they be dead? The Palm OS might go away as a smartphone OS, but that's all up to Access. Since the Palm OS is in limbo, and was withering on the vine before the Access purchase, supporting WM5 makes a lot of sense for Palm. The Palm company needs some sort of OS for their smartphone hardware.

spiVeyx

09/26/2005, 08:27 PM

If anyone wants a good MS Smartphone there are many to choose from. Palms move today seems to chime the end of the Palm OS, even if Palm is a hardware company. Is a Palm device a Palm device if it runs MS OS? To many it is not.

Many on this forum and who own a TREO bought it for the Palm OS.

Apple running MS Windows is not an Apple computerWell said.

I, for one, think this is going to hurt competition if anything. By Palm moving (slowly perhaps) towards Windows Mobile, it gives consumers less of a choice.

Choice encourages competition, perpetuates innovation, and grows the market. Sure, I'll admit, the switch may be good for Palm, but it's not good for the market and in turn consumers.

darnell

09/26/2005, 08:54 PM

Darnell,

You seem to think Palm as an independent hardware company will have a better chance of surviving if they switch to the MS OS.

They don't have to do a full switch but it's about time they offer the OS that is selling more units than they've been selling without it.

What you seem to fail to grasp is a Palm company not selling a Plam OS is dead.

I highly doubt that. And I've got a good feeling that your statement will be proven wrong in time.

If anyone wants a good MS Smartphone there are many to choose from.

Not really. Not a single one has the features and form factor of the Treo.

Palms move today seems to chime the end of the Palm OS, even if Palm is a hardware company. Is a Palm device a Palm device if it runs MS OS? To many it is not.

To me it is. An IBM PC running Windows is still and IBM PC.

Many on this forum and who own a TREO bought it for the Palm OS.

Very true. It's just not proving to be a continually viable market into the future when compared with the fact more Windows devices are selling than Palms now. Not the first time a shift occured in the industry. Won't be the last.

I know plenty of Treo owners that did not buy it for the Palm OS, but other reasons.

Apple running MS Windows is not an Apple computer...IMHO.

Again there are IBM PCs all over the world running Windows and not OS2.

Rome

09/26/2005, 09:04 PM

Palm extended it contract with Palmsource till the end of 2009 not long ago, so I doubt that Palm will stop supporting Palm OS any time soon. And let's not forget that Palm OS is moving to a Linux Kernal, and that will open up even more opportunities for Palm.

Just finished listening to the Analyst day conference. Ken Wirt's presentation stated that Palm will support multiple OS platforms, and there will be many different products targeting different segments of customers.

Insertion

09/26/2005, 09:07 PM

imageone

09/26/2005, 09:15 PM

<moved and merged>

party pooper! my thread was better :p

gargoylejps

09/26/2005, 09:17 PM

Don't know that I would quite use the "poo" terminology. The simple fact is that Palm is now a hardware company. It does not serve their best interest to lock in to one OS. If they can extend their marketshare for Treo's by offering Palm and WM, that is the right decision for the firm and its shareholders. I listened to the entire webcast and heard nothing to indicate Palm had the slightest inclination to drop the Palm OS. Obviously, a huge market continues to exist for Palm smartphones. We'll have to see where Access takes the Palm OS, but for the immediate future, I would suspect we will see Treo's with WM and Palm co-existing side by side.

Gargoyle

imageone

09/26/2005, 09:18 PM

So basically, they're flinging poo at the wall to see what sticks.

mmmm I love "poo on a stick" :D Panda Express :D

llarson

09/26/2005, 10:01 PM

They don't have to do a full switch but it's about time they offer the OS that is selling more units than they've been selling without it.

I highly doubt that. And I've got a good feeling that your statement will be proven wrong in time.

Not really. Not a single one has the features and form factor of the Treo.

To me it is. An IBM PC running Windows is still and IBM PC.

Very true. It's just not proving to be a continually viable market into the future when compared with the fact more Windows devices are selling than Palms now. Not the first time a shift occured in the industry. Won't be the last.

I know plenty of Treo owners that did not buy it for the Palm OS, but other reasons.

Again there are IBM PCs all over the world running Windows and not OS2.

Darnell,

What seperates an IBM PC from a Dell or an HP PC. Price? Speed?

So what will seperate a TREO from lets say a Motorola Q (all be it vaporwear since it is not out yet.)

I have a personal issue with MS and the fact it is swallowing everyone up. That is how the market works so.....

Of course when everything is run by MS and Uncle Bill we will have many more choices....or will we?

whatever7

09/26/2005, 10:05 PM

Why do people keep saying Palm is a hardware company? It's not a freaking hardware company. Hardware is commodity. Hardware is a dime a dozen in Taiwan. Hardware is HTC. Software is Microsoft. Now nobody needs the middleman Palm.

Palm's contract with PalmSource is for Zire/Tungsten/LifeDrive. Palm has already paid for it there is no point to switch to PocketPC. Palm can keep low balling the hardware spec and sell it for real cheap since PalmOS uses less resource than PocketPC.

samkim

09/26/2005, 10:20 PM

What seperates an IBM PC from a Dell or an HP PC. Price? Speed?

So what will seperate a TREO from lets say a Motorola Q (all be it vaporwear since it is not out yet.)

I have a personal issue with MS and the fact it is swallowing everyone up. That is how the market works so.....

Of course when everything is run by MS and Uncle Bill we will have many more choices....or will we?
PC hardware has been somewhat commoditized.

Smartphones are far from that. The 700w is different from many of the other devices that run Windows Mobile. Palm spoke a lot during today's analyst session talking about their focus on usability. They demonstrated that without a touchscreen, doing some of the simplest tasks on the Q requires many more steps. When things that you have to do every day require lots of extra effort, the "delight" factor goes away.

Scarecrow

09/27/2005, 12:42 AM

This announcement does not mean the end of Palm OS; Bush did go on record to say that "Yes, we will havefuture Treo products on Palm OS".

A quote from todays announcement...

Kupe

09/27/2005, 08:05 AM

Jeff Hawkings is well known for slash-and-burn marketing. You need only go to VisorCentral.com (the grand daddy of TreoCentral.com) to understand he has no issues with completely abandoning a product line in favor of something new. If I were a PalmOS-using Treo owner, I'd be prepared for the worst. :cry:

gkaatz

09/27/2005, 08:18 AM

My angst is the fact that Palm hasn't made it's intentions clear. Do I buy more Palm software or do I wait and stock up on WM software? My wife wants a Treo 650 but without a clear path I don't want to buy a PalmOS based unit if developers are going to abandon the platform (and they will in droves).

As someone mentioned above, the efficiency of POS allowed Palm to get away with selling substandard hardware at a premium. Now they'll be on the same playing field as everyone else. They have NEVER had class leading specs. I'm not sure they'll make the transition to a commodity market. They also don't have the resources (and supplemental income) of Dell and HP. Good luck competing with the big boys Palm!!!

Aside from drivers I really don't see why Garnett was so bad. It was doing the job for me. I really don't see Palm's point of view here. Choices are great but are they offering 700p and 700s units? I'm not seeing choice. I pray they have a PalmUx unit waiting in the wings. I'll be the first in line!

dstrauss

09/27/2005, 10:32 AM

My angst is the fact that Palm hasn't made it's intentions clear. Do I buy more Palm software or do I wait and stock up on WM software? My wife wants a Treo 650 but without a clear path I don't want to buy a PalmOS based unit if developers are going to abandon the platform (and they will in droves)...

I disagree, and I think they've made their position VERY CLEAR.

1. Verizon is exclusive on 700w until "mid-year 2006"

2. There will be CDMA and GSM versions of 700w "after mid-year 2006"

3. Palm has NEVER released two phones for same carrier in the same year

4. So do you really think there's a 700p "waiting in the wings"?

I can see a Frankengarnet 5.xx tweak out there (maybe even with built in WiFi in an unlocked GSM version). Now I'm dreaming - I think we don't have WiFi already because Frankengarnet CANNOT handle multiple radios efficiently - without requiring a reboot between switches.

Any way you slice it or dice it, Palm has found the multi-tasking smartphone OS that it needs to make wireless broadband work in a Treo, and it is Windoze. The fact that Gates said they have been negotiating this relationship since they set the feature set for WM5, and that WM5 will be "lock-step" in development with Office, Outlook, and Exchange Server, all casts this in concrete.

gargoylejps

09/27/2005, 12:06 PM

Fortunately for all of us, Hawkins is no longer the key business decision maker at Palm. Colligan has clearly stepped into that role.

Furthermore, after listening to the entire announcement conference, I think Colligan made it clear, that for his part, this is about broadening Palm's product offerings, giving customers choices and extending Palm's market share. Also, looking at Colligan's comments when Access bought Palm Source, it seems clear Palm has a good relationship with Access and looks forward to continuing that relationship for the foreseeable future. It would be a terrible business decision for Palm to tie itself too closely to any one OS. Having healthy competition between OS's will spur innovation and make for greater sales of Palm's hardware.

For right now, the WM Treo will get most of the press because it is the new kid on the block. For those of us not interested in a WM Treo, we will have to wait and see what Access/Palm Source does and how this plays out with the Treo line. I would not be at all surprised to see Palm offering multiple devices with both WM and Palm OS through its carrier channels within the next couple years.

Gargoyle

gkaatz

09/27/2005, 12:10 PM

Does Palm have the resources to develop to 2 different OS's? It seems like they had a hard enough certifying a device for 1 OS with the carriers.

deesugar

09/27/2005, 02:06 PM

3. Palm has NEVER released two phones for same carrier in the same year

Palm has never released a WM device either, so I don't think history is necessarily a great predictor of what Palm will do next.

dstrauss

09/27/2005, 02:09 PM

Does Palm have the resources to develop to 2 different OS's? It seems like they had a hard enough certifying a device for 1 OS with the carriers.

That's it in a nutshell - Palm has a h#!! of a tough time stamping out bugs and crashes on one platform using one harware spec. Now, make that two platforms AND two harware specs, and you now have FOUR TIMES the fubar factor to control. More power to them, but you can bet that M$oft will not stand still for anything that trashes the reputation of WM5 because of poor exectuion by the third party (Palm).

dstrauss

09/27/2005, 02:12 PM

Palm has never released a WM device either, so I don't think history is necessarily a great predictor of what Palm will do next.

Just give me ONE reason that Verizon, Sprint, or Cingular want to support the same phone on TWO different OS platforms.

I can here it now at the Cingular support desk: "Let's see, is that Pocket Informant on WM5 causing the system freeze, or DateBk 5 and Treo Ringer on Palm OS 5.xx causing the system crash. Gee, why don't you call Bill Gates and see if he can help. Or better still, just call Palm (non)support." :rolleyes:

gargoylejps

09/27/2005, 06:25 PM

Well, there are the millions of people that have no intention of ever owning a WM device.

We will have to see what happens with Palm Source/Access in the comming months. Quick scan of headlines looks this morning makes me think that the Palm OS is headed towards being an open source product in the near future, or at least large portions of it. That could certainly spell interesting things for the future of that OS.

To turn the question around, can someone give me a reason it is in Palm's best interest to move the Treo to a WM exclusive operating system?

Gargoyle

surur

09/27/2005, 06:44 PM

POS could not deliver a workable next-gen OS in time, and Palm decided in Feb 2004 to make a deal with the devil. The success of garnet Treo 650 has taken them by surprise, but by then they had finalized their plans long time ago. As Alanis Morissette said, isn't it ironic?

Surur

deesugar

09/28/2005, 03:03 AM

Just give me ONE reason that Verizon, Sprint, or Cingular want to support the same phone on TWO different OS platforms.

I'm not a pundit on carriers and their support departments but are you telling me that they have a separate group for (last I checked on Sprint's website) 22 phones?

I would think their department at the most would be divided by OS all Palm, Windows, etc. For a hardware defect they almost always make you bring the phone in for the "hardware guy" to run the automated test. So I don't see any problem with supporting a Palm phone and a MS phone since they already do that.

My point is I don't think anyone knows one way or the other at this point how long a Palm OS Treo will be around for. I don't see definitive proof for either side right now, and all of us are just speculating in the absence of any real news.

PatrickS

09/28/2005, 03:39 AM

So basically, they're flinging poo at the wall to see what sticks.Better, I think, than realizing too late that you were working with some non-sticky poo all along.

midmofan

09/28/2005, 05:19 PM

My guess.There will be a Palm version with upgraded memory, better camera, EVDO. It will still have Garnet, although perhaps tweeked a little more and some new software such as a "Today" type of opening screen.

AND it will be in the current 650 style handset -- round buttons square corners.
That's my biggest reach, but it may make sense. the hardware inside is going to be a little differenct in each phone, if nothing else a 240x240 screen in one and 320x320 in the other. If they were starting both phones from scratch, it would be more economical to use one case design, but since the new Palm treo wont be very much different than the current one, it will probably be easier and cheeper for them to have HTC continue to use the current style. Plus that gives some visual differentiation between the products.

just my guess, not taking any bets!

samkim

09/28/2005, 10:39 PM

I see the 700's bigger buttons as an improvement over the 650. (I hate it when I'm playing a video game, and I accidentally press the menu button!) So I think they'll use them for the next PalmOS version (which I believe will happen).

RickMG

09/28/2005, 11:56 PM

I've been reading this forum for months and the one thing I've noticed is that there are more and more of you who have had more than one replaced treo due to problems. Also, the common cause of all these replacements came down to software incompatibilities.

Now if you're Verizon, Sprint, Cingular, etc. You're replacing all these phones. Even though you're probably getting credit from Palm, it's creating bad impressions towards your customer service and quality. I have no idea how many WM smartphones they're having the same trouble with but my guess is less than with the Treo.

I know that even though I have had palms for almost ten years, and love them, I don't see a problem changing to the WM operating system if it were priced right (which I don't see the 700w as being) and has the features I want. Right now, the only feature it doesn't have I really want is the built in wifi. I can't see paying the price they're talking about for the 700, and then having to pay over $100 for a wifi card that I have to take in and out each time I want to use it. I do believe that it will be built in in the next version. Planned obsolescence.

I know my 650 is only a few months old, so I plan on having it until they come out with the treo 800. ;) I get at least two years out of a phone.

Joad

09/29/2005, 12:16 AM

My guess.There will be a Palm version with upgraded memory, better camera, EVDO. It will still have Garnet, although perhaps tweeked a little more and some new software such as a "Today" type of opening screen.

AND it will be in the current 650 style handset -- round buttons square corners.
That's exactly what the 650 SHOULD have been, not 110% of a Treo 600 minus 40% memory. Now that they have spit out the news of the 700w, it's coming around to the season of new Palm (Palm) Treo releases. IF your guess is correct (man, I wish it were), it's exactly the Treo I want and I'll be first in line to buy it.

If not, I'm gold plating my extended warranty on the 650, as it may be the last decent smartphone for a LOOOOONG time.

gfunkmagic

09/29/2005, 01:27 AM

IMO, there will definitely be at least one more PalmOS Treo generation smartphone, probably released sometime early next year...probably at the same time or later than the WM Treo 700. After that though, I think all bets are off...

First of all, I think it will truely depend on how sales of the WM Treo do in comparison to the next gen PalmOS version. If Palm's original estimations were correct and that a WM Treo does actually "grow and expand" their market without completely cannabalizing their PalmOS Treo line, then fine. However if the WM Treo version totally eclipses the PalmOS version, then I think the future of a PalmOS treo version will defintely be grave.. :( I don't want to believe, but I think that's how things might go...

Also, everything also depends on what eventually happens to PalmSource under Access. Will they actually meet their deadline to release Palm Linux? Will they realy be able to breath new life into the forgotten Cobalt OS and encourage lisencees to actually use it? Those are huge question marks...

dstrauss

09/29/2005, 11:07 AM

skfny

09/29/2005, 11:38 AM

Jeff Kirvin's being quoted as "knowing" there is a 700p release, possibly before year end, that is "more impressive" than the 700w

http://www.gadgetsonthego.net/2005/09/there-will-be-treo-700p_112776337725284205.html

I find that pretty hard to believe, as Gates and Strigl would strangle Cooligan if a shiny new "700" of any kind upstages their WM5 baby.

But, the usual highly reliable Sprint store employees ( :rolleyes: ) have been quoted in another thread as having a December replacement on the way for their 650.

What a tease. I agree Bill would be fuming if there's a Cobalt 700p that gives us multi-tasking and it's available BEFORE his shiny new 700w.

If Jeff Kirvin says it'll happen, though, I have a reason to believe. This quote does give hope to the OS. If Palm can show that a multi-tasking version of PalmOS is not a piece of crap, and LG can put some resources and marketing behind their Palm-based phones, we just might be able to call off the funeral.

samkim

09/29/2005, 01:21 PM

I find that pretty hard to believe, as Gates and Strigl would strangle Cooligan if a shiny new "700" of any kind upstages their WM5 baby.I've seen this thinking repeated on these boards a lot in the past week.

Partners can also be competitors. That's the nature of business in this country, and Bill, Ed, and the other guy understand that. Verizon sells products that compete with products from Microsoft and Palm. Microsoft smartphones that compete with Palm are sold by Verizon's competitors. No one, except it seems for people on this board, expects Palm to stop competing with Verizon and Microsoft.

And in case anyone missed it, this is from the main announcement article on the TreoCentral homepage:
This announcement does not mean the end of Palm OS; Bush did go on record to say that "Yes, we will have future Treo products on Palm OS".

Perry Holden

09/29/2005, 03:06 PM

jamespaulritter

09/29/2005, 03:12 PM

I smiled a very big grin when I read that that the "high up there palm guy" said "There will be an announcement of a new palm device before the end of the year".

Perry your a patient man to open the box slowly. I for one am not going to wait for the FedEx guy, I'm picking mine up at the warehouse. The anticipation on the day of is to exhausting :D