Palm indirectly confirms Treo 700p?

[craigdts]

"Through RIM's BlackBerry Connect licensing program, Palm will enable its Treo 650 and Future Palm OS(R) based Treo smartphones email via BlackBerry Enterprise Server(TM)."

http://ir.palm.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=105423&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=768097&highlight=

w/ announcement of BB connect

[skfny]

I think it's understood that the 650 isn't the last PalmOS-based Treo. The question is, how many more are there, and when will they emerge?

[JimmieGeddes]

They are talking about the Treo 650 and Treo 700p

http://www.gadgetsonthego.net/2005/10/did-you-notice-quote-looks-like.html

[JimmieGeddes]

We all know thew Treo 700w will use Microsoft's own push email, not BlackBerry connect:) So they are talking about a future Treo as well as the Treo 650:)
I am looking so forward to this being a Sprint user.

[JimmieGeddes]

I am guessing the Treo 700p will "emerge" beginning of '06. Sprint will have the exclusive on it, as they have had with all Palm OS Treos. and they will really push the BlackBerry connect feature of the Treo 700p. I think the Treo 700p might have it immediately just to get people the incentive to upgrade.

[Perry Holden]

Through RIM's BlackBerry Connect licensing program, Palm will enable its Treo 650 and future Palm OS based Treo smartphones with secure, push-based wireless email via BlackBerry Enterprise Server. The BlackBerry Connect technology will be integrated into Palm's VersaMail email client.


YES!! I BELIEVE.. . . . . in the 700p.

[BARYE]

I read that the Blackberry email-ability will be available to current 650's (via either software or FW upgrade)

[michaand]

This is good new I have just started to need instant email om my treo. I just learned how touse versamail and it's pretty cool. I can even open atachments and col stuff. I love my TREO650 it's the bomb
:)

[treoneo]

I need wifi for Treo 700p

[Tastypeppers]

Blackberry solutions for push email are fabulous until you realize that the fabulousness resides in your server room on a dedicated box running BES that you paid a ton for. (Spoken here as someone who would have to pay for all this crap).

Compared against $39 one time for Chatter which doesn't gunk up my server or require a redirector....Hmm.

Yep, Chatter won't sync contacts, calendar, etc. OTA. I'd like that but not with the extra overhead in the Dep't of Serverland at my business.

Count me underwhelmed. Unless BES ain't needed, in which case I'm extremely whelmed and where do I send my money? :-)

[JBoogie]

I need wifi for Treo 700p

Me too!

[bigboy650]

I have my doubts about wifi...call it a gut feeling, but given palm's reputation for incremental improvements, I would be willing to think it may support their wifi card. It makes sense, then they can sell us another $100 accessory. Also, I sincerely hope they wise up and give us at least 128 MB RAM, but I bet we'll get 64.

If it doesn't have wifi, we could at least get 2 card slots...

Just my 2 cents.

[nrosser]

Blackberry solutions for push email are fabulous until you realize that the fabulousness resides in your server room on a dedicated box running BES that you paid a ton for. (Spoken here as someone who would have to pay for all this crap).

Compared against $39 one time for Chatter which doesn't gunk up my server or require a redirector....Hmm.

Yep, Chatter won't sync contacts, calendar, etc. OTA. I'd like that but not with the extra overhead in the Dep't of Serverland at my business.

Count me underwhelmed. Unless BES ain't needed, in which case I'm extremely whelmed and where do I send my money? :-)

and the issues mentioned above are the whole reason that Microsoft is gaining momentum with their own built in push technology with Exchange 2003, FP2 - corporations who have Exchange will pay no extra money and manage no extra servers, to get secure, robust email to any number of WM devices...

[imageone]

I need wifi for Treo 700p



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but ....... it want happen. they will try to sale us on the stupid SD card crap!!

[JimmieGeddes]

No from what I've heard on the Treo 700p, it's gonna be similar to the Treo 700w, but with something extra, that makes it stand out. I was told wifi/or gps. Wifi looks more likely now with the blackberry connect announcement. I was told it could be both as well.

[imageone]

Why would WiFi be more likely just because of BB ??

[imageone]

Oh...and ask your source to give us a ETA. give or take a month :)

[MisterFuhrman]

Blackberry solutions for push email are fabulous until you realize that the fabulousness resides in your server room on a dedicated box running BES that you paid a ton for. (Spoken here as someone who would have to pay for all this crap).

Compared against $39 one time for Chatter which doesn't gunk up my server or require a redirector....Hmm.

Yep, Chatter won't sync contacts, calendar, etc. OTA. I'd like that but not with the extra overhead in the Dep't of Serverland at my business.

Count me underwhelmed. Unless BES ain't needed, in which case I'm extremely whelmed and where do I send my money? :-)

My compliments on a great post!

I'm extremely underwhelmed as well. As part of a two-person marketing firm in a relatively small area, BC sounds wonderful until you find the additional setup fees for servers and software. Unfortunately, that seems to be the way with any worthwhile email solution such as GoodLink and the others.

[cue79]

My compliments on a great post!

I'm extremely underwhelmed as well. As part of a two-person marketing firm in a relatively small area, BC sounds wonderful until you find the additional setup fees for servers and software. Unfortunately, that seems to be the way with any worthwhile email solution such as GoodLink and the others.
I know I may be getting slightly off topic here, but with Chatter and an email service like Everyone.net (I use them myself), you can do quite well E-Mail wise. My Treo now has push mail, and it's great. By setting up rules on the server side, I route the important emails to certain folders, which then sync as I need them. Makes life very easy :)

[tj0827]

This is not marketed to the individual or small Bussiness User. It is for individual Employees of Large Fortune 500 Corporation, who's IT Dept will only let our Corp E-mail link to us remotely via Blackberry, dur to security. In my Industry Large Financial service industry (Smith Barney, Morgan stanley, Merrill Lynch, Goldman, etc.) this is our only option, dur ro the high security needs, to carry a blackberry if we want to have access to Work E-mail mobily. So for someone like me this is huge as I will have everything I had before, plus now I will have access to my work email and calander. FYI, the Treo up to this point was totally just for personal use, now I will use it for bussiness also.

[dstrauss]

No from what I've heard on the Treo 700p, it's gonna be similar to the Treo 700w, but with something extra, that makes it stand out. I was told wifi/or gps. Wifi looks more likely now with the blackberry connect announcement. I was told it could be both as well.

Jimmie - hope you're right; built in WiFi would be (beat) the berries :D

I know I've been pummeled for saying it before, but I just can't believe Uncle Bill would do a stand up endorsement of the 700w if Palm releases a 700p that smokes the feature set on his new baby.

[treoneo]

they better include an xbox 700 inside too!

[JimmieGeddes]

I think Palm has some great things in store for us. I just bought a Palm TX and see how much Palm has returned to being "Palm" again.
http://www.gadgetsonthego.net/2005/10/palms-tx-one-helluva-handheld.html
If the TX is any sign of Palm's commitment to bring us quality, stable, and great products we are for a treat:) I am using a the TX for wifi, and huge screen to update my site and PalmAddict. I also setup the TX to use mt Treo's BT DUN connection as well. I know this is treocentral:), but Palm has come out with an awesome handheld, and now I can only expect the Treo 700p to be even more awesome that first anticipated.

[michaand]

Palm OS had better live on forever based on how much $ I spend on the applications

[dstrauss]

I think Palm has some great things in store for us. I just bought a Palm TX and see how much Palm has returned to being "Palm" again.
http://www.gadgetsonthego.net/2005/10/palms-tx-one-helluva-handheld.html
If the TX is any sign of Palm's commitment to bring us quality, stable, and great products we are for a treat:) I am using a the TX for wifi, and huge screen to update my site and PalmAddict. I also setup the TX to use mt Treo's BT DUN connection as well. I know this is treocentral:), but Palm has come out with an awesome handheld, and now I can only expect the Treo 700p to be even more awesome that first anticipated.

The problem comes when yu bolt that cellular radio on that puppy; then the roof caves in on old Frankengarnet and you get the random resets; tinny voice calls; lost volume; etc. :(

[Mark Squires]

That's what I want too....wi-fi. I really don't need a 650. I need a wi-fi.

However, re: blackberry integration, you know RIM just lost a preliminary ruling on patent infringement. There may not be a RIM pretty soon...

Cue79: I refuse to pay for these ridiculously priced push email packages. All you have to do is subscribe to a pay-as-you go dial-up solution like Budgetdialup.com, and download your email when you want to from the net. You can even set it to go online and download automatically if you wish every X minutes. On t-Mobile at least, there is NO reason to buy the data packages.

Palm OS had better live on forever based on how much $ I spend on the applications

Sums up my view!

[MarkY]

Palm OS had better live on forever based on how much $ I spend on the applications
That's the truth right there.

[mhyman]

Why would Palm include WiFi considering that its the CELLULAR providors who sell the Treos? Who also have "high speed" data networks that they also sell service on?

Not to cynical, but it seems unlikely that Palm would include wifi, unless they have a product that does not go through cell phone companies, like maybe a Blackberry specific device.

[ItsAllVerbatim]

They should've put WiFi in the Tungsten C.
Ah, I forget that was the debacle that is the Tungsten W...
Screw AT&T and their crippled, undermarketed devices.
That means, you too, Cingular with Sprint charging $15 FOR UNLIMITED EVDO AND STREAMING TV AND YOU CHARGE ME $45 FOR CRAPPY EDGE.

There are soldiers in Iraq pulling down more bandwidth via satellite than I am with EDGE. That is sad. And they have better latency.

Yes, I mean the civilian solutions htey have to chip in and buy. Not the gov. sats.

If the 700p has all of the HARDWARE included in the 700w, I will buy.
And if it doesn't have more than 24MB of memory, I propose a witchhunt. Starting at the HTC factory - we'll purchase 4GB slabs of flash memory from Samsung for ridiculously discounted prices (this is really easy; you just pretend you're from Apple's CIA ;) ) and then we will have a 4GB Treo 700p.

And Perry will live happily ever after. :D

[samkim]

Why would Palm include WiFi considering that its the CELLULAR providors who sell the Treos? Who also have "high speed" data networks that they also sell service on?

Not to cynical, but it seems unlikely that Palm would include wifi, unless they have a product that does not go through cell phone companies, like maybe a Blackberry specific device.They'll eventually put in WiFi because the corporate customers (of the carriers) want it. All the major carriers already sell phones that have WiFi.

[DHart]

However, re: blackberry integration, you know RIM just lost a preliminary ruling on patent infringement. There may not be a RIM pretty soon... Even if they lose the patent infringement lawsuit, RIM is not going anywhere. This is about how much RIM will have to pay to NTP (the claimed patent holder) in licensing fees for their technology. And the court decisions could take a while. Excerpts from a press release at

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3558421 :

"Today's ruling means that RIM and NTP must go back to District Court to fight over five remaining patent claims. The Federal Circuit reversed or vacated the lower court's infringement findings on nine of the original 16 NTP patent claims, vacating the damages award and injunction set in the 2002 District Court trial......The Waterloo, Ont.-based wireless e-mail company thought it had settled the matter with a March 2005 deal (http://www.internetnews.com/wireless/article.php/3490646) with NTP. RIM agreed to pay (http://www.internetnews.com/wireless/article.php/3490646) NTP $450 million to resolve all current and future patent infringement issues between the two companies, gaining the ability to sub-license NTP patents relating to RIM products and services. But those licensing talks broke down in June, even as the USPTO rejected (http://internetnews.com/wireless/article.php/3515266) two more NTP patents. RIM said that because NTP wouldn't finalize the deal, the federal appeals court should stay the appeal and enforce the agreement.

At the same time, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office is in the process of re-examining five of the eight NTP patents listed in the original complaint. The patents undergoing review are U.S. Patent Numbers 5,625,670; 5,631,946; 5,819,172; 6,067,451 and 6,317,592."


RIM is more in danger of competitors catching up to their technology lead than from NTP.

[Antoine of MMM]

Palm will probably not do wifi until they can guarantee that the form factor and battery life will not suffer for at least one day's use of both. Unless we see that 2200mah mutgen battery in a 650-like formfactor, I dont think it will come.

Per the starter of this thread. It would be silly in announcing that a new software product is on the way that there are no new hardware prodcuts coming afterwards to take advantage of it. Yes, we all "know" there will be a new PalmOS Treo on the way. But there has been nothing on the side of truth that has verified that fact. To be honest, Palm is doing a great job in not letting anyone know about a new PalmOS Treo. If they are doing it, they better be doing something more than an incremental update to the 650 (my minds eye thinks it will be T2 to T3 type of difference, but we really never know).

[ItsAllVerbatim]

I wrote this in another thread, but it is far more relevant here:

It's not that I won't change, it's just that I won't change until there is proof that my Palm library of software has been truly orphaned. If the 700p comes to be, I'm good with Palm for at least 2 more years after the 700P's arrival.

Cheers, Perry.

Here's what may happen:

What I'm hoping is that this rumored LinuxPalmOS is like Windows 95 was.

You could run...

1) DOS applications (READ: legacy PalmOS apps from 1996-now)
2) Windows 3.xx apps (so Palm 4.0 and 5.0/Garnet apps...color support, etc)
3) "32-Bit Windows 95 compatible" blah blah blah; which would be the more stable, robust LinuxPalmOS platform, freeware, shareware and accompanying developer community.

Using a desktop computing analogy; even now, on Windows XP, 13 years after they released the last version of DOS, you can still run DOS apps under WinXP. NOT ALL. But many.

I do wager this is what Palm is pushing towards. A platform for the 21st century and beyond, with a emulator of sorts allowing legacy software to be run without compromising stability.

Let us pray :o

[JimmieGeddes]

I said this before, and so has gfunk. That it could run in PACE, emulation mode.